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Mbundas says they have no plans to block roads in Barotseland

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The Mbunda speaking people have dismissed reports that they plan to block roads between Western province towns on Monday.

On Saturday, a Lusaka based radio station aired a story that Mbundas are against the restoration of Barotseland and are calling on the PF government to move in quickly and deal with people calling for cessation.

The Radio station quoted an individual purporting to be a member of the Cheke Cha Mbunda in Western province as saying that if the government does not move in, Mbundas will block roads in protest.

Cheke Cha Mbunda is the official information wing of the Mbunda speaking people.

But National chairperson of the Cheke Cha Mbunda Ndandula Libingi told the Watchdog in a phone interview that his association is not aware of such plans.

He said the announcement must be coming from a disgruntled person who is trying to tarnish the name of Mbundas.

“At the moment I am in Manyinga, Kabompo. I have talked to our district and provincial chairpersons in Western, Northwestern and Itetezyi-Tezyi. There is nothing of that sort. I met Senior Chief Sikufela and there is nothing of that sort’, explained Libingi.

Libingi said his association has nothing to do with violence and that all information relating to activities of Mbunda people are issued through his association. His said any information like the present one issued by anyone else is wild.

Libingi however said his association is in support of government process to resolve the issue of the Barotseland.

He said the Mbunda people’s position is clear and was explained when they submitted to the Roger Chongwe Commission of Inquiry.

 

73 Responses to Mbundas says they have no plans to block roads in Barotseland

BA has never been abrogated. Read it and understand it. Litunga like any
Other tradional ruler elsewhere in zambia exercise authourity over
Land inhabited by their subjects under customary law not civil law.
In zambia these traditional entities are not civil states they are
Chiefdoms (structures developed around kinship).

When read you BA make sure you don’t miss these words “CUSTOMARY LAW”. Many
Lozis think litunga had civil authourity over barotseland which is
not the case. Litunga however had customary authourity over barotseland
proper. The civil Government of the day was the BSA Co (1890-1924)
british colonial office (1924-1964). After independence the civil govt became
The GRZ.

So what does this call about restoration of BA. Mean when litunga is already doing
What is specified in BA? What is restoration?

the people advocating for secession should not use BA as a pretext
But should come up with another strategy.
For example like someblogger has suggested elsewhere, form a
political party and advocate for secession in parliament.

shilesa - December 27, 2011
09:13
 
 

@ St Desperation, niwe walanya we chipuba we. iwe taulemona ati infintu mu Zambia nafilubana apo the cobra took over the reigns of power? Don’t just support blindly even when it is clear that Zambia is glossly divided on tribal lines, family tree, and your president is out of touch with international protocals and relationship.No jobs are being created, the Chines have become so rude since the cobra bowed down to them. Instead he is busy calling noble people like Dr. Mumba and others bad names.

anti - December 26, 2011
15:46
 
 

Sata must just be bold enough and restore Barotse agreement like he pledged instead of wasting his time by harrasing his nephew IG Dr. malama by calling him names that he is inneficient when the man was trying to operate professionally. This president is lost and brace yourselves for worse happenings in 2012.PF and Sata were not ready to rule that is why they don’t know how to and they are simply doing a trial and error. They have achieved nothing in their so called 90 days and those supporting them that they have achieved are simply myopic.

anti - December 26, 2011
15:41
 
 

Mwalanya, Sata is not a man to frustrate. Am happy that he is in power, you Lozis will be shut.

ST. DESPERATIOUS - December 26, 2011
13:46
 
 

@Roben Island. thanhk u for that knowledge. i was curious to know cos i read about the Subiya people in being in Zambia, Namibia and Bostwana. with Bots it easy to believe coz i hav met people who speak Subiya. well in Zambia i was hesitant coz i hav never heard any 1 speak the language. apart from our Lozi speaking brothers and sisters. so its appreciated neh

Lavender - December 26, 2011
12:50
 
 

Kolwestan is on target. All this confusion is being caused by a very incompetent leaership put in power by immature young voters and street vendors.

Naturalist - December 26, 2011
11:05
 
 

Who are these “people who know history” who I should consult?
You shouild know that the boundaries of this region were not drawn
By lewanika but whitemen. The BSA Co was the first to delimit land
to serve the Company’s interest. By 1911 Company had expropriated Soli
Lenje and Tonga on the Toka plateau with the help of Lewanika without
Consulting owners of the land. Later Land was delimited into
Reserve land (1930) tribal trust (1947) and crown land.

And why are lozis so keen on including other tribes in
the imaginery barotse boundary? We have heard about what consists
Lozi. You should even single out which lozi group want session.
What is the group in quesition is called. There is no point in making
Making noise only to say there is no person called lozi. So who are you?

And who appointed chief lewanika to be a spokesperson for tongas solis ilas lambas
Lalas kaondes luvale luchazi? Who told lewanika to cede land to
BSA belonging to these groups of people without consent.

Lewanika on behalf of lozis committed a crime by giving
minerals and land rights to BSA of areas which does not belong to
Him.

shilesa - December 26, 2011
10:46
 
 

For those that are ill informed and lack the historical knowledge of the pre – independec Zambia, here is the fact about Barotseland.

In seeking safety at the peak of the scramble for African resources, the Litunga sought British Protection in as much as his counterpart in Botswana did a case of another country that was not colonised but enjoyed British protection in exchange for mineral exploits.
Historians therefore hold that in the mapping of the mineral areas, it was not the Litunga who gave the geographical scope of his Kingdom but rather John Cecil Rhodes and his men who had the technical know-how as to the extent of copper in Northern Rhodesia.

The territorial boundary for protection would span as far as the Copperbelt province through to Luapula according to the British, but not necessaily held in that sense by the Litunga at the time.

Thus in Rhodes’ asking the Litunga the scope of the King’s Kingdom whose response is without substantiation is referred to ”as far as to the extent of fall of horizon” pointing to the north, Cecil Rhodes wittingly include all territories that did not belong to the Litunga because he wanted to reach out to rich minerals Britain wanted to extract. So, it was not the Litunga who gave the geographical scope of his territory.
We can conclude therefore that without BSA interference Barotste land only encompases the present day Western Province and not involving other areas like Copperbelt, southern, North western and part of central Provinces.

The champ - December 26, 2011
09:36
 
 

@Lavender. The Subiya call themselves Veekuhane and their language is called Chiikuhane(Shamukuni, 1972; Masule, 1982; Ramsay, 2002; Denkler, 2008; Ndana, 2011). Chiikuhane orSubiya language is classified under Zone K.40 of Bantu languages; a language of northern Botswana, Caprivi Strip, Namibia and Western Zambia (Guthrie, 1967–1971).Torrend (1931), Shamukuni (1972), and Colson (1996) classified Chiikuhane language under the Bantu Botatwe group; indicating that the language is related to Western Tonga in Zambia and one of the earliest languages of the Zambezi. Subiya language has a complete grammar book and a textbook containing folklore, superstitions and songs written in French and Subiya in1896 and 1899 respectively, by EdouardJacottet. Subiya language also has a complete grammatical sketch written in English and Subiya in the 1960s by Daniel Matengu Shamukuni. Subiya is the dominant language of south-west Zambezia, along a portion of the Zambezi river south of Barotseland, and in the lands lying between the Chobe-Linyanti river (Bantu Language Classification. Part 3; Arnot, 1882). The Canada Council Special Grant for Linguistics (1968) refers to Subiya as the people found west of Victoria Falls. Subiya is one of the most ancient of Bantu languages, more so than Tonga (Bantu Language Classification. Part3). The name Veekuhane has two meanings; one being the followers of Chief Ikuhane, son of Iteenge and second known chief of the Subiya (Masule, 1982; Ramsay, Morton &Mgadla, 1996; Ramsay, 2002; Ndana 2011). The other meaning of Veekuhane is that it refers to the people who live along the Ikuhane (Chobe) river (Shamukuni, 1972; Matengu, 1982). From Parakarungu to Ngoma Gate, the river is known as Iteenge (Roodt,2004). Pretorius (1975) claims that the Subiya were originally called Batwa-a collection of small clans who lived under autonomous headmen on the islands of the Kafue flood plains. It is likely that it was while at Kafue flood plains in the early or around 1400s that they started to identify themselves as a tribe, probably under the first chief MuniteengeIteenge (Masule, 1982). Kruger (1984, as cited by Likando (n.d.) and Ndana (2011), claim that the Subiya reached the Upper Zambezi plains around 1440, whereas Masule (1982) suggests that they reached the Zambezi Valley in 1575 and settled at Ilulire near Senanga now in the Western Province of Zambia. According to Pretorius, the Batwa were a collection of groups such as Fwe, Leya and Toka. There are three theories that attempt to explain the origin of the name Subiya. According to Pretorius (1975), the name Subiya was given to Veekuhane in 1700 by the invading Aluyi (Lozi proper) under Chief Mwanambinyi. Subiya is said to be derived from the Aluyi word ‘subalala’ which means to ‘push a kingdom’ because the Veekuhane were active in governing and running the Aluyi (Lozi) kingdom. It was derived from the Aluyi (Lozi) phrase ‘subiya noku subalala umulonga’ meaning ‘the Subiya are trying to push the kingdom’ (Pretorius, 1975). Shamukuni (1972) claims that the name Subiya was derived from ‘Subira’ which referred to their brownish complexion. The name was given to them by neighbouring tribes as a nickname. This version is supported by Flint (2003), who revealed that Lozi men particularly valued Subiya women for their lighter skins and general good looks. Masule (1982) agrees with this version, but claims that the Subiya appeared light in complexion (subira) because they smeared their skins with red-brownish ochre.The third one is that the name “Subia” is from BaTawana who named named them “Sobeya” meaning “left without a leader”, “wandering without a leader”.The Tawana called them as such when Liswani fled from Sibitwane to Rakops leaving the entire tribe behind (Peopling of Botswana: Author name to be updated). The Subiya lived between the confluence of the Chobe and the Zambezi rivers, along the northern banks of the Zambezi as far north as Nakabuunze (Katima-Mulilo) and called this land Iteenge (Shamukuni, 1972; Pretorius, 1975; Masule, 1982; Tlou and Campbell, 1983; Ramsay, 2002). The Subiya were politically and militarily strong, with a recognized line of chiefs dating back two and a half centuries and is one of the tribes of the Zambezi to have been mentioned by the early explorers and missionaries during the 18th century (Shamukuni, 1972; Pretorius, 1975; Ramsden, 1977; Matengu, 1982; Flint, 2003). Since the advent of colonialism and attainment of independence, the Subiya tribe has been split into three regions; the Subiya of Chikuzu region (Mwandi/Sesheke of Western Province, Zambia); Iteenge-Mukulu (Caprivi Strip, Namibia) and Iteenge-Muniini (Chobe District, Botswana) (Arnot, 1882; Shamukuni, 1972; Matengu, 1982, Ramsay, 2002).
In summary Subiyas are more in Zambia than in Namibia and Botswana combined. The reason why thy don’t publicly speak Subiya is because they are in power of traditional authority where they govern other tribes such as Totela, Shanjo, Mbukushu, part of Tokaleyas, with sub chiefs found at Imun’ganda in njoko Malomwe, Sitanga, Manyanga, Mwanamwale and Mataa Mumbula. Since they were among the first to meet Sibitwane, the Kololo king from RSA, they were most preferred in marriage due to their natural beauty and knowledge of administering traditional affairs. Sebitwane just like the Aluyi, preferred to have Subiyas in traditional power, royal marriages etc. To avoid segregation against other ethnic tribes, they choose to use a neutral language called Sikololo, in Kutas or traditional courts and schools, which later was translated into Silozi which is a version of Sesotho. Litunga la Mboela in Western Zambia has a blood of Subiya and for this the reason Kisiko Liswani the Chief of Masubia in Namibia, visits the palace quiet regularly, because the one in power is the auntie.

Roben Island - December 26, 2011
08:29
 
 

Sata shall immediately establish technical schools, like mining, technology etc. in Southern, North Western and Western provinces. Provide seed money and equipment to residents of North Western and Western provinces to start small scale industries. Shift police training camp, army and National Service Headquarters to These provinces, start massive road and infrastructure development projects in Northern, Western and North Western provinces. Let railway lines be laid out in North Western and Western provinces. Such measures will bring in development and assimilation of provinces. No new project shall be started in Lusaka, copperbelt and Central provinces. People and development has to move to provinces that are contributing to exchequer.

nationalist - December 26, 2011
07:35
 
 

Bulozi ki bwaluna. Yabutoile akaise ayo shwela mwa Zambezi ni mukuto wamahe. FREEDOM IS COMING TOMORROW MAMY DAD FREEDOM IS COMING TO TOMORROW, VERY SOON FREE AT LAST. OH YESS WE CAN.

YESS WE CAN - December 26, 2011
06:27
 
 

@ Shilesa, you dont know the boudaries of Barptseland. Consult people who know the History of Barotseland will tell you.

Sena - December 26, 2011
06:25
 
 

@limata masipa amaho, wu ever paid to usher those stupidity statements will soon be disappointed, whether yu batck like a rebise dog. bulozi ki bwaluna. My friend if yu don’t have brain to think beyond continue artaling stupid statements. The more yu do the more yu we aggrieved, do be sparised to see Bembas dieing like flies. YESS WE CAN BROSTE A FREE NATION.

kangumu - December 26, 2011
06:14
 
 

Bembas Wht to separate us. We are united tribes of brosteland. Be it tonga,totela,nkoya,lamba,nyengo,Kaonde, lunde,luvale mbunda & etc, there are using individual to usher statements of separation, united we stand divided we fall. In 27 man cabinet only 4 are not Bembas. Open yo eyes. The strangle for freedom is not sweet,

kangumu - December 26, 2011
05:40
 
 

why is there so much hatred for the bembas. i cannot understand the evil that is working in all those that hate the bembas

zambian - December 26, 2011
05:02
 
 

Kabunda kayandele thimbu!!!!!

lugarithm - December 26, 2011
00:57
 
 

Firstly I want to say that if western province should secede,
Zambia will stand to loose nothing as the region is economically
Not important. Only the shape of the map will change.

lunatics advocating for secession have no idea what making a state
Means and what resources are required. Little do they know that the
Zambian public Service will be withdrawn immediately including zesco.
In plain language I mean no police, no health and no edu services.
No salaries from zambia govt for doctors nurses councils etc.

In reacting to some. postings above here are some facts worth noting:

-cecil rhodes founded de beers consolidated in 1873 not earlier.

-BSA Co owned by cecil rhodes was formed in 1890 not earlier.

-cape colony was not RSA. In 1854 There were four south african independent states
Namely orange free state, transvaal, natal and the cape. Britain
controlled latter two.

-cecil rhodes became governor of the cape in 1890.

-lubosi who was born in 1942 changed his name to lewanika in 1885 when
He was restored as lozi chief. Before this time there was no lozi
chief called lewanika.

-on 27th june 1890 chief or litunga lewanika signed an agreement with lochner
Thus Lewanika’s land “bulozi proper” became a BSA Co protectorate. Bulozi has never
Been a british protectorate. the boundary for bulozi was exegerated
(by francois collard) to include
Tonga and ila land, lamba and lala land, kaonde lovale land.

-1899 BSA formally secures right to govern north western rhodesia. This
Was done by passing a special law. (THIS WHEN THE MOTHER OF ALL BLUNDERS was
Made) under this law bulozi was called north western rhodesia or barotseland.
Bulozi proper was in north west rhodesia. Lewanika returns traditonal authourity
Over bulozi proper. Nort western rhodesia was under the administrator nominated and appointed
By the BSA Co.

-1905 BSA admive hq for north west rhodesia moved to livingstone.

-north west and north east rhodesia combined as northern rhodesia

-BSA Co rule ends and northern rhodesia became a british protectorate in 1924.

More factoids later

shilesa - December 26, 2011
00:56
 
 

boring

mwata kazembe - December 26, 2011
00:30
 
 

can some one plz explain something to me… this so called nation you call Bulozi, you say that it has a number of tribes. well ‘m Subiya from Namibia.this language is said to be part of these tribes in Bulozi (Bulwizi) are there any Subiya speaking people in western province? any body?

Lavender - December 26, 2011
00:17
 
 

All this nonsense wouldnt be there if we had a president in state house.

Kolwestan - December 25, 2011
23:58
 
 

@Limata never cheat people. You cannot claim that your were the ones that came to barotseland first. NO. My mother is Totela and Totela is a version Tonga. My father is Mbukushu who first lived in Litoya with Chief Lukonga before Lukonga migrated to Rivhungu in Angola and later on to Kavango in Namibia. If Totela being a branch of the Tongas, then who was first to settle in Zambia between Nkoyas and Tongas? Tell the truth you fool. The big tribe is Tonga from which came Subiya and Totela. Are you now sugesting that you Nkoyas were the first setlers before Tongas? Stinking lier and foolish imposter. If you were bought to be a spy for Muchinga province you better remain silent otheriwise UKANYELA MASIPA NI MALENA BAHAO BAMA SHOLI BOSWELI KUHOLISA. FOOLISH MONKEY. TOTELA AND SUBIYA ARE ETHNIC BRANCHES OF TONGAS MAKING UP THE REAL BANTU BOTATWE

Roben Island - December 25, 2011
23:24
 
 

Some people would rather go about in a loin cloth, rather than the ‘colonial navy attire’ worn by the Litunga! I wonder if such people are not dressed in ‘colonial clothes’ or even conversing and blogging in a ‘colonial tongue’, using ‘colonial technology’ like computers, phones and internet? Hypocrites! Not sure whether its the sotho dialect which Limata dislikes or its the bemba which he/she would miss. Many of these ethnic groupings that feel that Bemba should not be done away with should be at liberty to relocate to Muchinga Province. Try as you may to deny it, Your inferiority complex stinks to high heaven. It appears there are also some immigrants who have either forgotten their history, or they were too young or not even born when their fore-fathers were granted citizenship, not by Zambia but by another!

Wasaye - December 25, 2011
23:20
 
 
Not sure whether its the sotho dialect which Limata dislikes or its the bemba which he/she would miss. Many of these ethnic groupings that feel that Bemba should not be done away with should be at liberty to relocate to Muchinga Province. Try as you may to deny it, Your inferiority complex stinks to high heaven. It appears there are also some immigrants who have either forgotten their history, or they were too young or not even born when their fore-fathers were granted citizenship, not by Zambia but by another!
Wasaye - December 25, 2011
23:12
 
 

@Limata. A report by Richard Hall who was Africa correspondent observing Kaunda in action.
So throughout colonial times, the Lozi people kept a special status within what was Northern Rhodesia, and would ultimately become Zambia. Shortly before independence the Litunga, Sir Mwanawina Lewanika – the last ‘black Knight’ in central Africa – demanded complete separation. Kenneth Kaunda, the nationalist leader later to be President, responded to the Lozi hostility with great diplomacy. He went to see Sir Mwanawina and rolled before him on the ground in the time-honoured tribal style. The Lozis’ reaction was guarded.
Limata whatever your name you stinking idiot fool, how could Mwanawina be asking for seperation if he whole heartedly needed independence? Why did Kaunda roll on the ground just to convince Mwanawina to reverse his decision. Masipa hao. You imposter fool. Get the facts from the people who were covering the events when Kaunda rolled asking for Sir Mwanawina to reverse the decision. Nja tuwe. Your propaganda will not work idiot fool.
Roben Island - December 25, 2011
23:10
 
 

@Objective Zambian and Spectator. So you are double imposter seeking wide objections to the issues. Let me tell you one thing. (1) You are NOT from western province (2) You are one of the elements planted to spread propaganda and divide and rule strategies. It will NEVER work. We are used to your propagandas and this time around just wait for fate. Coming to questions;
Boundary for the Barotseland
International borders
All the coordinates that mark international boundaries between Barotseland and neighbouring countries will be observed, ie Angola, Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe. No extension forms our claims.
National Borders
All the coordinates that mark the boundaries between other provinces such as central, N/W and Southern will be observed. No extension forms our claims.
Governorship
Political governance and administration
Barotseland will have a rotational Prime Minister portfolio, ascending to power through democratic elections. Aspiring candidates will have to convince the voters their developmental plan and how they wish to address social issues. The best candidate with the best plan will be voted. MPs will stand in the current constituencies and sell the manifesto of their respective candidates to the masses. If it is the turn for Sesheke didtrict, it must produce 4 candidates from within the district who will campaign through out the territory explaining how they wish to address issues. The best candidate will be voted based on articulated issues. Each candidate is to be given only 5 years and the next district follows. The order and sequence of district follows alphabetical order. The district will first hold its own elections where the 4 candidates must emerge from. These 4 candidates must then sell themselves to the masses in the whole province/territory with their respective mps. This makes the governance very inclusive and avoids repeatitions or dominations from other districts who might insist on fielding their candidates more often than others.
Traditional governance and administration
The Litungaship cannot be risked to be given to opportunists who only want claim to the royal family because of admiring the status of the Litunga during Kuomboka and they wish it were their own ethnic groups attracting million tourists to the ceremony. This is opportunism. Litungaship is not a title which came by running a race and decided by the first runners. It is a royal administration brought by the Mbuyu wa Mwamba clans in as early as 1620s. The kingship consolidation was made by the arrival of the Kalolo warriors from RSA. So it will remain so. Even with Chiti Mukulu, ascendance to that throne has never been given to the Namwangas or Mambwes, why should the case be different with Lozis? Propaganda never works. We know the people behind these campaigns and when the reality dawns we will see them.
Barotseland tribes all over Zambia
We are claiming self governance of the territory and the equal distribution of resources to everyone. We are not claiming migrant citizens who live in different parts of the world. However, those who will feel the need to go back and contribute to constructive development of the territory will not be denied their right to do so. Southern Sudan was not claiming people. It claimed its territory and the willing people follow as they wish.
Children of mixed blood, say Lozis/bemba Marriages?
They have the right to choose where to belong. Even freedom fighters who fought for independence against white domination, they intermarried with whites from other countries and their children join their freedom fighter parents when the countries become independent. Here we are NOT fighting any tribe or individuals , we are fighting against a segregative system which only recognizes other tribes in power while others are labeled with many bad characteristics through propaganda.
Zambia has by-gone the period of secession (47 years after independence) and that we are so mixed so much that all we can talk about is development
You are 100% correct. But I may also ask you a question. In 1964 Kaunda was overwhelmly accepted as national leader by all the tribes despite being from northern, in 1990 Chiluba was overwhelmly voted into office by the masses from all over the country except eastern province. 2007 Banda was overwhelmly voted to continue with leadership after the death of Mwanawasa. In 2011, Sata was voted into power by a cross section of people including Mongu central and Kalabo. Did the people of Mongu and Kalabo go out publicly saying we should never vote for Sata because he is Bemba? The answer is a clear NO! Did the Lozis boycott to vote for Lozi PF MP because PF is lead by Sata a Bemba? The answer again is a clear NO!
If you have been following politics very carefully, Immanuel Kasonde decided to quit MMD in protest of the corruption in MMD under Chiluba to join Akashambatwa’s party. A northerner openly and publicly appealed to the northern people never to vote for Kasonde because doing so was selling the Bembas to the Lozis. After how many years of co existence did this statement come? Did this statement come from a street vendor? No! It came from a public figure. Thank you so much for that! Then we ask ourselves what has the 47 years of intermarriages generated? Is it acceptance? Is it unity in diversity? The answer is NO! But hatred driven by pride to believe that only certain tribes deserve to rule and to be supported. That is fine.
Talking about the ‘conspiracy’
This has been going on for years. The effect of that is a precedence case where a public figure requested his tribesmen to reject a fellow indigenous because he was following a party led by a Lozi. Is that simple to you to comprehend?
Another public figure raises in parliament that they are the majority and if Tongas wish to produce a president they must start marrying Bembas. Do you see the effect of this propaganda how it has taken over the thinking capability of some people? Now tell me where is the good effect of the 47 years you are talking about if you have leaders who plainly express themselves like that? Is it not on this blog that people have openly said HH will never rule?
Finally, Barotseland is western province only. Those propagandists who have spread rumours that Barotseland will cover N/W province, C/B province, Central, Lusaka and Southern are part of the scheme to generate resentments. They have tried their best to apply the divide and rule style by inciting Nkoyas and Mbundas. This will not work. I repeat we are claiming a territory and not people. Those who want to live in political slavery can continue to do so and leave alone.
You spoke about development instead of secession. I totally agree with you. But have the leadership showed political will to develop the province for all the 47 years? People had to die just to ask for a road. Are these responsible politicians in your view? What are they going to develop now which they failed in 47 years? Litunga is being blamed for lack of development which is a lie. N/W province which is producing copper has no university, not even a college, but two universities are to be built in northern province? Is it Litunga are told Sata never to develop N/W again? Please let us not play with the feelings of people. Western province is what we need, nothing less nothing more. We know how we are going to develop it and with what resources to use. Finish.

Roben Island - December 25, 2011
22:55
 
 

Ignorant people, the Mbundas are not guests of Northern Rhodesia, they came to Barotseland.
Wouldnt it be nice to be free from Barotse disturbances by parting with them? Why insist on the ‘marriage’ for which the other party doesnt have the stomach.
To the best of my knowledge, the Kololo were the people who came from the South with a sotho dialect. These were overthrown by the Aluyi after a spell of reigning. The Kololo are no longer in charge in Barotseland.
The opposing Nkoya elements are an insignificant factor who could do well in Muchinga Province. People wonder what benefits there are to cleave to the ‘marriage’ for.
Perhaps its about time to leave people to rule themselves without fearing what Barotseland will perceive. Perhaps separation would not be such a bad idea. Northerners (Northern Rhodesia) would rule themselves in peace. Barotselanders would also experiment with their ‘project’. So why the fear of divorce? Who stands to lose?

Wasaye - December 25, 2011
22:38
 
 

#robin island, you are really a lier and a big one for that matter. you said Mwanawina never wanted to be part of zambia but was pressurising the British to make western province a protectorate like other protectorates, (lie). If that was so, why then did Mwanawina accompany Kenneth Kaunda and late Chief Musokotwane (Kebby’s father) to britain to negotiate zambia’s independence, and transport money for that trip was raised by Tongas who sold their animals and that history is their for all to see in the archives. KK was representing the Northern part(Bembas), Chief Musokotwane (Kebby’s father) was representing the Southerners while your Litunga was representing Western province, therefore, if he had his own agenda, why didn’t he raise his own money or better still make his own trip to Britain to negotiate for his protectorate. Why did he accompany delegates who were on the agenda for independence of zambia?. Lozis be realistic, that document you claim was illegal hence Mwanawina the originator had to abandon it to join zambia, and no one forced him to do that. I am partly lozi, but please my tribesmen let us be objective and think critically on this issue, it is really a non-starter at this age. Let us ask ourselves, why did Mwanawina the originator abandon it?, I think he realised that it lacked legitimacy and was bent on enslaving other tribes and at the same time illegal.

Limata - December 25, 2011
22:08
 

#guru, check your records well, he receives K2.1 billion every year, and was the only chief with a diplomatic passport, not untill chief mukuni of the Toka people of Livingstone all demanded for a red passport and was given by government as tourism ambassador. We know these things, no wonder the Litunga all the time has to support the government of the day despite his subjects championing calls for sucession. #Guru, I have facts on my table, so if you are ignorant, just learn.

Limata - December 25, 2011
22:05
 
 

Its nice to read the blogs above. It shows Zambians have started thinking on their own. Limataa, the Litunga receives a state salary just like any other chief.

guru - December 25, 2011
21:57
 
 

What many hate is to join you use that Sesotho dialect called Lozi when they have their own languages and cultures to preserve. Who cares whether it is spoken in lesotho, zambia is not lesotho mind you. Secondly, having the Litunga to rule over all these important tribes with their whom they love so much. No single tribe even mbundas can accept to be ruled by a luyana or controlled by one tribe, people need democracy. Who will respect another tribe’s chief leaving his or hers, under my dead body. If you say there is equality in western province among tribes, then leave Nkoyas, Mbundas or any other tribe to use their own tribes in schools, have their own books and even learn their language, not what happened one time when you lozis burnt Nkoya and Mbunda books just because you do not want them to freely use and learn their language. The Litunga should also start attending kazanga ceremony of the Nkoyas and pay homage to a Nkoya chief because they were the first ones to settle in western province and gave the Luyanas land to stay. How can a visitor like luyana be a ruler in western province leaving the owners of the land Nkoyas.

Limata - December 25, 2011
21:49
 
 

Too much ignorance being spewed on this forum. I wonder what the lot of bloggers mean by ‘lozis’. Which of these do they mean; Nyengo, Mbowe, Kwangwa, Kwandi, Kwamashi Subiya or Totela? To the best of my knowledge, these are the ethnic groupings that use the sesotho dialect called ‘lozi’. And may i remind you folks that Limulunga is ‘housed’ on Mbunda chiefdom. Mbundas and the Aluyi live in peace, side by side. Those ill-wishers of this relationship are aliens whose machinations are bound to end in futility.
No amount of character assassination, ill-will and peddling of false rumours will prevail. Just hardens the resolve.
History has shown that armed suppressions actually achieve the oppossite because they catalyze emotions, evokes sympathy leading to fast track emancipations in the order of Libya, South Sudan, Kurdish Iraq, South Africa, Eriterea, and ofcourse, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, and Rwanda.
On the other hand, dialogue slows down break-ups just like Northern Ireland, and Quebec. Dialogue smoothens or stalls break-ups, whilst violence is a catalyst. For then that say 47years after the formation of Zambia is long enough to justify the continued marriage of Northern Rhodesia and Barotseland; think again! Remember that Yugoslavia was older than Zambia when it broke up!
Be careful what you wish for!

Wasaye - December 25, 2011
21:32
 
 

Western province must come out of Zambia as Sata promised. He has created his new province without consulting. There was no commission of enquiry. So let the people of western province go

Kamunu - December 25, 2011
21:31
 
 

The money the Litunga receives for his own family is the one making the litungaship not to rotate, or be given to nkoyas the owners of western province who welcomed the Luyanas who now feel superior in the land. We cannot be cheated anymore in such matters, as we are awake to the reality that we cannot fight to enrich one chief of Luyanas.

Limata - December 25, 2011
21:22
 
 

Nkoyas will support you for your calls of an independent Barotseland if the Litungaship is given to them as the owners of western province whome you found when you ran away from Shaka and became refugee in western province. If there is no equality among majority tribes like the Nkoyas, mbundas and to some extent luyanas, then no other tribe in zambia can support the Barotseland issue. We cannot support the BA64 to just enrich the Litunga and all tribes like mbundas who are the majority and Nkoyas the owners of the land to be slaves to a minority tribe from South africa who feel superior. If you want to make Barotseland under the BA64 then it should be restricted to Mongu alone, never you claim other people’s land like the mbundaland and nkoyaland. Lesotho is a small country within South Africa without an economy, because when those Kings wanted seperation, they could not include other people’s land into their territory to expand, because those people were not interested and prefered to be part of south Africa where there is democracy. No chief would accept to serve another chief like litunga whom his subjects do not value at all. The Litunga is receiving K2.1 billion every year from the zambian government, if he had a hear for an ordinary person in western province, he could have been distributing this to the poor, but instead he eats it alone with his family, while you poor you fight on his behalf for his kingdom, shame for your ignorance.

Limata - December 25, 2011
21:19
 
 

BAROSTSELAND SHALL BE INDEPENDENT LIKE SOUTH SUDAN. South sudan has 43 tribes barotseland has only 35 with mbunda majority. Viva south sudan viva barotseland. Viva kosovo viva eritria.

king lewanika - December 25, 2011
21:03
 
 

#robin island, you are really a lier and a big one for that matter. you said Mwanawina never wanted to be part of zambia but was pressurising the British to make western province a protectorate like other protectorates, (lie). If that was so, why then did Mwanawina accompany Kenneth Kaunda and late Chief Musokotwane (Kebby’s father) to britain to negotiate zambia’s independence, and transport money for that trip was raised by Tongas who sold their animals and that history is their for all to see in the archives. KK was representing the Northern part(Bembas), Chief Musokotwane (Kebby’s father) was representing the Southerners while your Litunga was representing Western province, therefore, if he had his own agenda, why didn’t he raise his own money or better still make his own trip to Britain to negotiate for his protectorate. Why did he accompany delegates who were on the agenda for independence of zambia?. Lozis be realistic, that document you claim was illegal hence Mwanawina the originator had to abandon it to join zambia, and no one forced him to do that. I am partly lozi, but please my tribesmen let us be objective and think critically on this issue, it is really a non-starter at this age. Let us ask ourselves, why did Mwanawina the originator abandon it?, I think he realised that it lacked legitimacy and was bent on enslaving other tribes and at the same time illegal.

Limata - December 25, 2011
20:53
 
 

#Roben Island

Sorry, i went out to enjoy my chrismas and have just come and found your comment. I am fully form western province and my mother is mbunda while my father is Luchazi/Luvale etc.I appreciate your response and the fact that you are so knowlegeable of the situation, Kindly no that most youth from western province dont know what you have propounded. I have noted that you have not answered all my questions and you have rushed to the las t question which is secession, and from your response, it clear that that’s what you think is currently the way forward for zambia. In another words, you also know that restoration of BA64 means having a state within a state and that’s why you ignored my questions.

Now that we have narrowed our discussion to secession, can you outline to me the following:
1.The possible boundary for the Barotseland
2.Specifically which provinces are going to be in Barotseland
3. How is it going to be governed, will the Litunga rule over all through a monarch or there will be a democratic government
4. What will happen to the Barotseland tribes that are all over zambia, inyter married and have invested in other provinces?
5.What will happen to children of mixed blood, say Lozis/bemba Marriages?

6. Dont you think that Zambia has by-gone the period of secession (47 years after independence) and that we are so mixed so much that all we can talk about is development in western province but not secession becuase of its cost? (loss of peace, bloodshed)
7. You are talking about the ‘conspiracy’, how sure are you that a Lozi or Tonga shall not rule of zambia? (consider Mwanawasa, Obama, God’s ways are not man’s ways)

I hope i will get to you to answer these questions.

Objective Zambian - December 25, 2011
20:50
 
 

#Roben Island

Sorry, i went out to enjoy my chrismas and have just come and found your comment. I am fully form western province and my mother is mbunda while my father is Luchazi/Luvale etc.I appreciate your response and the fact that you are so knowlegeable of the situation, Kindly no that most youth from western province dont know what you have propounded. I have noted that you have not answered all my questions and you have rushed to the las t question which is secession, and from your response, it clear that that’s what you think is currently the way forward for zambia. In another words, you also know that restoration of BA64 means having a state within a state and that’s why you ignored my questions.

Now that we have narrowed our discussion to secession, can you outline to me the following:
1.The possible boundary for the Barotseland
2.Specifically which provinces are going to be in Barotseland
3. How is it going to be governed, will the Litunga rule over all through a monarch or there will be a democratic government
4. What will happen to the Barotseland tribes that are all over zambia, inyter married and have invested in other provinces?
5.What will happen to children of mixed blood, say Lozis/bemba Marriages?

6. Dont you think that Zambia has by-gone the period of secession (47 years after independence) and that we are so mixed so much that all we can talk about is development in western province but not secession becuase of its cost? (loss of peace, bloodshed)
7. You are talking about the ‘conspiracy’, how sure are you that a Lozi or Tonga shall not rule of zambia? (consider Mwanawasa, Obama, God’s ways are not man’s ways)

I hope i will get to you to answer these questions.

spectator - December 25, 2011
20:48
 
 

Can we stop this nonsense of coopting unwilling partners into the Barotse land. The Litunga never ruled over Lundas, Lambas,Kaondes or Lenjes. just because a white man signed an agreement with you does not give you rights to rule over people you never subdued. besides, even if you ruled over them, it does not mean they liked it and so they have the right to refuse to cooperate with you. not need to threaten each other

WK - December 25, 2011
20:39
 
 

#Robin Island, never lie just to champion your Luyi manipulation on this block, Mwanawina was not full Nkoya only one of his parents was Nkoya. So to connect Nkoyas to the Barotseland just because of one half cast child will not work. If what you say is true, why can’t we get one full Nkoya one time to be a Litunga as we talk of equality. The Barotse agreement impowers the Litunga in barotseland than the poor people of western province, to some extent only luyis will benefit from this agreement the way it was when they signed that agreement. This barotse secession if implemented will just one day bring war in Barotseland because there are certain tribes within who put themselves as special. Another important point to note is that, when Mwanawina was including all these tribes in his Barotse protectorate, did he seek consent from chiefs and representatives of all these tribes included to sign somewhere that they accepted to be in barotseland and want him(Mwanawina) to sign a protectorate with the british on their behalf, if not then even the document itself before reaching a point at which KK signed it had no legitimacy. If this claim by mwanawina of certain territories included in barotseland was because of raids of certain headmen then you claim land, to me it cannot be legitimate because any land grabbed through war or force is illegal under international law. Isreal as a nation is paying heavily for grabbing land through force, so lozis try to educate some of your ignorant fellows. Some tribes even if their land was included illegaly are silent because they know that what mwanawina did was illegal and behind their backs, so it cannot be implemented at all. So in short Luvales, Nkoyas, Kaondes, Tokas of kazungula and Livingstone, Lambas etc are not and will never be part of barotseland.

Chizong - December 25, 2011
20:38
 
 

Is it in order that Selfish and disgrantled Lozis should insinuate the Mbundas to turn against the Malozi? The war is between the the People of Western Province and the People from the North who are selfish and pompus. There is no way a Mbunda can fight against a Luyi, they are one. We have cleaved to each other, and seperation is an imposibility. We mbunda do not want anyone to force us or influence us to hate the Lozis. We are equally suffering together in this poor province. Why should we hate other sufferers? OVIO VIMBALE VYA KUNIMA. VYUMBUKILE OKWO! YESU A TWIMANENA. Mona mulinsthalya yetu cho twiluka kwimbolyetu.

Black bull - December 25, 2011
19:57
 
 

Pf has already seen that they will never deliever their campaign promises hence wanting to divide southern, western and n/western provinces. Why cant they leave out the copperbelt as well. RB was even brave than sata that he reached the extent of using 2 bullets. For sata, before seeing any placard about secession, he is showing his weakness by crying & insulting his own generals in kabwe. Is there anyone whom can advice sata in pf & the entire govt? Certainly no one…!

Chikwanu - December 25, 2011
19:25
 
 

We have problems in this country because of poor leadership and lack of foresight from our politicians.
Our politicians are selfish people who just care about themselves..period
Having said that, the answer to the problems of under development lies in our governance system and not re-doing failed strategies…this is what PF is doing..Just look at some appointments, the constitution making process etc..
The Litunga is not the answer to problems in Western Province. Monarchies have not succeeded in this world not even in Britain itself, the QUEEN IS JUST A SYMBOLIC FIGURE.
so i will continue saying this:
ALL YOU BLOGGERS WHO CALL EACH OTHER NAMES BECAUSE OF THE SO CALLED TRIBE HAVE SMALL BRAINS AND STAGNANT MINDS. I DON’T CARE WHICH PART OF ZAMBIA YOU COME FROM..PERIOD

The_Zambiano - December 25, 2011
18:59
 
 

I believe this is a joke and the governmnent should know that it is at risk not knowing what it should do. Take time and dont rush at things which are just roumers but it must know that anything can can happen because there is no smock without fire.

I would like to appeal to the current government not to opt to for sending soldiers as this will make the situation rough.
Sena - December 25, 2011
18:31
 
 

Shikuwa Ngonda well done. Dont allow people to divide us as barotse. We are one and the same people. Am yeyi/totela myself but i cannot say am pure lozi, no. Lets not allow people to come and divide us.

Mpande - December 25, 2011
17:41
 
 

@Objective Zambian, Thank you for showing maturity. I will address as follows:
First of all, the message must be clear to all imposters and those that are legitimately from Barotseland that no amount of propaganda will work. People who pose to be speaking for Nkoyas, Toka leyas and the Mbundas etc have the right to express themselves, but that right if it carries messages of propaganda it will not change anything. By the way Iam born from two parents one is Totela (My mother) and the other is Mbukushu (My father) and remain a Lozi.
Point number 1. Mwanawina-a Nkoya Litunga at that time never approached the government of Northern Rhodesia to plead that he wants Barotseland to be part of the independent Zambia, NO. Mwanawina was pressuring the British Monarchy to recognize Barotseland as a protectorate just like other countries like Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland. The protectorate status had conditions and these conditions were communicated from the British monarchy to the Litunga through a company called British South African Company whose heard quarters was in Cape Town, partially owned by Mr. Rhodes who was the Prime Minister of Cape Colony which today is called RSA. The BSA Company had a mineral exploration division called De Beers which was busy exploring for minerals all over southern Africa. It was discovered that every traditional authority in Southern Africa which had a territory with diamonds, the BSA company would fence it off I(declare it a protectorate) with conditions that they should be allowed to mine the minerals through De Beers. Hence you discover there was Bechuanaland Protectorate, Swaziland, Basotholand. All these kingdoms have diamond which is the core business of De Beers. The protectorate status was granted based on the signing of mineral rights to allow De Beers to mine. They did and up today they are still mining. Mwanawina and other previous Kings’ request for full protectorate status were declined from the British Monarchy. Instead they offered a partial protectorate since after De Beers discovered diamonds in Barotseland in 1845, they approached Lewanika to allow them to open diamond mines. He promised them that he was going to allow them to open mines, on condition that they should first build him schools in all the province. They built schools and sponsored children to go for scholarships abroad that was condition number 1. They came back to report that the schools have been built and now they should be allowed to open the mines. Lewanika immediately imposed another condition that all his subjects must be allowed to go and work in the mines operated by De Beers through Opehemmer mines today called (Anglo America) to which De Beers had shares. BSA company opened up a contract system which was referred to as Witwatersrand Native Labour Association (WENELA) in short. People were employed and roads such as Sesheke Senanga road and the one on the upper Zambezi in Sinjembela were constructed for people to go in the mine in RSA. Zambezi river Authority was established to transport people to Johannesburg Via Katima Mulilo and Winkie. All these were done to satisfy the demands of Lewanika before the BSA company could open mines in Barotseland. After realizing that Lewanika is still not willing to have Diamond mines opened, the BSA Compan reported back to the British Monarchy. The monarchy declined full protectorate because they ware not benefiting. Had Lewanika allowed them to open mines, the full protectorate status could have been granted and Barotseland would not have been part of Zambia’s independence, but could be on its own. It is for this reason that when Kaunda pressured the British for independence of northern Rhodesia to include Barotseland, the British were happy to relinquish their responsibilities on Barotseland and pass them over to the Zambian government as stipulated in the BA64 in which part reads that Zambia will take full responsibility of developing Barotseland. In other words the British were in a hurry to hand over Barotseland to Northern Rhodesia because Lewanika refused them the right to mine. This refusal was communicated to all the successive kings including Mwanawina. It is this developmental responsibility which Kaunda accepted in BA64 which successive governments have neglected except for Mwanawasa (MHSRIP).
From 1964, what development did Kaunda bring to Barotseland apart from changing its name to western province? Why did Kaunda accept responsibility of something he knew deep in his heart he would not do? Why did Kaunda takeaway the treasuries for Barotseland which was earned through wenela in 1969? After taking away the treasury, he again abolished WENELA, and approached Litunga to allow SWAPO to set up military camps in the province to further disadvantage it and blame war for luck of development in the area. When the war was over no development and people had to die just to demand for development? What do you call all this neglect? People should keep quiet in the name of nationalism? I hope you now understand the origin of the frustrations. Now coming to your questions.
1. Secession- for your own information, Secession is more painful to live with than independence. Why are the people opting for Secession as a last option? The answer is simple. Kaunda did not only crook the people of Barotseland, he also designed a very strong conspiracy theory which was only discovered by people like Mushala and Mr. Matomola. He and he his tribesmate have planned that no one from Barotseland must ever rule Zambia. This conspiracy theory was applied to all the tribes of N/W province and Mushala knew this. He revolted. Today the conspiracy theory is covering the Tongas, that no Tonga should ever rule Zambia. I will ask you a question. Is Zambia a personal to holder property for one tribal grouping to be in power as they wish when their ascendance to power is facilitated with the support of other tribes while they are rejecting the leadership of other tribes? If other tribes are not allowed in an all inclusive governance, do you think we should keep quiet?

Roben Island - December 25, 2011
17:17
 
 

Barotseland is a gift from our forefathers. She is ours to love, to govern, to keep and to protect!!!

mwangala - December 25, 2011
16:51
 
 

A point of caution to our relatives. It was not zambia which gave them land to settle on. Infact they are not in Zambia. They are in Barotseland and it was in Barotseland where Mulambwa and successive litungas gave them land to settle on. It would be better for them to know where their best interests lie.

mwangala - December 25, 2011
16:37
 
 

There is no equality in Western province, if there was all tribes were going to be equal not just on paper but also in action. Certain positions are meant for those who belong to the royal family and some are not suppose to be senior chiefs. When it is time to make recomendation for appointment, it is the Litunga who does that, and only Luyanas are recomended. If there should be equality, all tribes would be treated equal with same privileges, and in terms of appointment any one was to be free without any recomendation from a chief of the Luyana, the way it is in other tribes. In other provinces, people are free without recomendations from chiefs to aspire for any position as they wish. In our province you have to be a yes, yes to the Litunga for you to see an appointment or to be recomended. Sakwiba could not become a vice-president because he was not a yes, yes to the Litunga, when RB went to request for a recomendation.

Limata - December 25, 2011
15:57
 
 

How can we belong to Lozi, basotho name from south Africa. Some of us we do not pride in borrowed names of the Basotho people when we have our own. The Litunga wears a colonial security guard uniform during Kuomboka, while our chiefs who are proud of what they have wear their own materials made from their own land.

kazembe - December 25, 2011
15:45
 
 

most of the bloggere ignorant of facts. who will blame you? KK made you his handkechiefs, bhe truth! Its such a shame that someone would know their roots!

The truth is that people who made part of northern rhodesia are jelousy of us from barotseland. we have a nation, we have international boundaries, we have never been colonised, and unitl today, our seat at the United nations is still available.

wheeather you like it or not, we are going on to freedom. this time, we shall face you, even if you sent your murderous police or army to mongu. Lightening will kill you, bees will sting you, and you will know the hand that will beat you to death.

we existed long before many of you and our nation will raise again. SATA will not finish us, rather, he will finhs faster than he began. ASK KK, Chiluba, Levy, RB. they wuill tell you. the only thing you have succeeded at is dividing us but this time we are ready for you.

khinakho ya bulozi - December 25, 2011
15:34
 
 

ALL YOU BLOGGERS WHO CALL EACH OTHER NAMES BECAUSE OF THE SO CALLED TRIBE HAVE SMALL BRAINS AND STAGNANT MINDS. I DON’T CARE WHICH PART OF ZAMBIA YOU COME FROM..PERIOD

The_Zambiano - December 25, 2011
15:05
 
 

from the comments on this blog, kind of mbundas, nkoyas and toka leyas dont want to join the lozis in this fight for barotseland. maybe its time the BA64 document was done away with. the big question is how?

spectator - December 25, 2011
14:56
 
 

its the disgruntled losers of the presidential elections trying to bring about social disodedience, after losing or rather rejected by the zambian voters he and his minority are trying to scare people. if he told them he farts in their lingo they shall believe. Sata is our President, he is spending xmas in plot 1 it makes us very happy and wish him the best xmas,;
how unhappy you are to know your joke of a tribalist leader will never be president of zambia only of your province

it makes me happy to see stew wondering what if
mwata kazembe - December 25, 2011
14:54
 
 

I now like this blog alot of history, this blog is be coming more interesting please those who know more history we want to learn more about our tribes in zambia

nshilimubemba - December 25, 2011
14:52
 
 

If it still stand as in the BA64 that the Litunga should be on top of everything in your Barotseland, then we cannot be part of it because we have also other chiefs to respect and not one chief. Us Nkoyas were the first ones to arrive in western province, we accomodated the Luyis the guys who feel they are entitled to Litungaship, leaving the owners of the land in the dark, honestly who can accept that. Lozis be informed that us nkoyas will never accept to be lozis, and will continue living in western province because it is our land, and you are just kololo refugees who want to claim ownership of what is not yours. Some of us left Western province because of descrimination, now you want us to be together in improving the living standard of your Litunga and you lozis(Luyanas), big NO. Mongu is not productive, all the food comes from Kaoma because Luyanas are very lazy people who feel they are kings in western province and should not work. Come on guys you have been eating fruits on top of our heads.

Limata - December 25, 2011
14:46
 
 

All tribes in zambia have a wright to air their views, no tribe is the father of the other, they are all equal no tribe should rule over the other , how ever should work together on equal basis

nshilimubemba - December 25, 2011
14:44
 
 

*YAWN*

ISRAEL - December 25, 2011
14:41
 
 

#robin island, fight the government alone because your chief is the one who will benefit at the end of the day, where all resources will be controlled by him in your Barotseland. Leave us Nkoyas and Tokas of Southern province to enjoy what we have been enjoying all these years in this free land where there is no discrimination of tribe. Us Tokas and Nkoyas in Kazungula and Livingstone are having a nice time, just fight there in Bulozi with the government, leave us alone to continue with development. Fight on behalf of your Litunga while us enjoy ourselves in areas where we are recognised as human beings. I even thank my father for leaving Western province to come and settle in Southern province, because here we are counted as human beings.

Nkoya man - December 25, 2011
14:35
 
 

#Roben Island

I am very glad you have responded to my comment with such a long passage and i appreciate it cos u have not insulted and you seem to be objective. i maybe wrong and as such i want us to have an objective intellectual discussion here, maybe i will learn something which may make me and others to think twice. Answer the following questions objectively:
1. Is your point that all we need is just development in wastern province (my view) or that we need to restore the BA64?

2.If the BA64 is ‘restored’ how is western province or is it Barotseland supposed to be run with respect to (a) Judiciary/Kuta (b)The Baroste Council/parliament (c) The role of the Litunga vis-avi that of the republican president(d)Collection of Revenes?

3. If the above 4 items are conducted independently of the whole zambia, isnt that a sate within a state?

4.What is your view on those that advocate for secession?

Kindly educate me objectively.

Objective Zambian - December 25, 2011
14:33
 
 

I a Toka from Chief Moomba, Lozis be informed that Tokas will never be part of you to promote and enrich one chief called litunga. Now you call mbundas as refugees, you are also regugees in our land because southern province is not your province, you are economic refugees. Learn to respect other tribes for you to also be respected. There are Nkoyas here in kazungula Southern province, there chiefs are free to mingle anyhow and are free to practice their traditions like Kazanga without discrimination, some of their chiefs are senior chiefs, while you, you call the Munyukunyuku. Tonga allowed you to settle in their one land without discrimination, but for you anyone who does not speak your language is rejected. Nkoyas are free in Tongaland(Southern) than in that Barotseland of yours. If you say Lozi is lingua and all people in barotseland should only speak it and leave their languages, then it is not fair, and no one will ever accept to be part of you. You cannot say the qualification to belong to Barotseland is to embrace Lozi as your language, this is not fair, we would rather remain as zambians and practice our traditions and speak our languages. Fight the government on your own as lozis because your Chief the Litunga is the only one who will benefit and not our chiefs, and for that matter this Litungaship does not rotate, so we know our chiefs will not benefit anything the way it was in the past where only those related to the Litunga were the ones enthitled to education. Some of us different tribes were reject in certain privileges. We want a society where everyone is free to aspire for any position in the land without discrimination. If at the moment Mbundas are not allowed to be senior chiefs, how about when it becomes Barotseland, we will be treated like dogs.

Sililo - December 25, 2011
14:29
 
 

Plz fellow blogers,mek as short as possible,NOT AS IF ITS A NEW STORY AGAIN…

Evelyn Hone - December 25, 2011
14:02
 
 

Lets read the word of GOD;we are jst waiting for the coming of christ:

Mai - December 25, 2011
13:44
 
 

@Objective Zambian just go to hell. Mbundas will not allow to be used by imposters like yourself. The tactic of divide and rule will never work. The truth is that there is no Lozi in Angola who is claiming recognition. The mbundas, Luvales, Luchazi, will not allow that. Mbunda’s history of coming to Zambia is clear. They run away from the first portuguese wars, secondly they run away from the war between UNITA and MPLA. Lewanika and other leaders accepted them as brothers and sisters. They did not find lewanika as a slave and helped in him to be in power as a ruler. They found him having established traditional royal mornach centuries of years before they came. He did not only accept them, He recognised them as hard workers and allowed them to have their chiefs and settle. Where do you find a refuge who gets previledges of the statehood and given land and a recognised leader? Does it mean when you receive a visitor who run away from danger in your house must latter claim that he needs to be recognised as a replacement husband to your wife when you are not around? Lewanika never segregated even when he made an agrement with RSA Cape Colony for local people to go and work in the mines through wenela. Everyone was received in the name of Lewanika. Today the same people can claim that they do not enjoy these traditional preveledges. If it is true that our brothers are demanding such then they are not reasonable. The Luyis are not segregative as these people allege. It is them who are segregative. For your own information I lived with them. I remember going to the river to swim,the Mbundas would tell Lozi children to go and swim some Meteres away in the direction where the river flows because we are not circumsized (did not go to mukanda) and that we have white staff in the penis smelling called “uthinu”. We used to be refered to as baka Lui in a derogative manner. Only recently, No lozi or Lui would propose a Mbunda lady or luchazi because the Luyis are dirty and do not go through the initiation ceremeony of mukanda. All these are happeining in our forfathers land who welcome and received these people with both hands from wars in Angoal.Today we have become bad people. The truth is that there is no Lozi/Lui who can claim an inch of land in Angola (speciically Mbunda/ luchazi land) let alone to request for recognition as a chief.But we received them here as brothers and sisters. Please let us not provoke situations where there is already tension. Lozi is not only Mbundas,mind you. And those who plan to side with a tribal government will one day swalow a bitter pill. We are here as Mbowe, Kwangwa, Subia, Mbukushu, Mafwe, Nkoya, Kwangwali, Mbunda(,Lubale etc), Nyengo, Kwamashi, Sikwamakoma, Sikwamwenyi, Kwandi, Mashasha, Imilangu, Simaa, Maliuwa, Mandundulu, Mayauma, Mandembu, Mambumi, Makwamulonga, Malukolwe, Toka-Leya, Makwengo, Matotela, Mashanjo, Mahumbe, Mananzwa, Lushange, Makololo, Aluyi,Luchazi, Chokwe, Luvale, Bayeyi and Marangwes. These haters who have continuosly planted a seed of division in barotseland by alleging that Lozi tribe is dominating other ethnic groups are very soon going to regret. There is no tribe called Lozi. Silozi is a collective lingua for all the ethnic grouping mentioned above. It is Sotho term which refers to people living in the lower plains as Malozi. Our brothers must be very careful of the propaganda of divide and rule. This propaganda has been going on for years. It is better we live together as brothers and sisters just as our forefathers brought us together. Remember, N/W province is not happy, S/Province is not happy, Central is not happy. Where will you be if you start betraying your own brothers? THINK TWICE. We will not allow traitors looking for political jobs in our midist. NO!

Roben Island - December 25, 2011
13:30
 
 

Dear Editior,
RE: BAROTSELAND AND THE NKOYA PEOPLE
Allow me space in the only true PLATFORM of the obvious thinkers in Zambia, the great Watchdog, “the paper of the nation.” It has become clear that matters of Barotseland are keeping Lusaka govt awake all night and this can be seen by Prsident Sata’s despair for instructing combined forces of Zambia Army and Zambia Police to sort out Baritseland unarmed human rights agitators.
The problem is as old as Zambia itself. You cannot talk about Zambia in its current form without BA64. You cannot leave out BA64 in Zambian governance and still maintain that you have solved the problem. What is happening now is SUNSHINE: just as Northern Rhodesia fought for independence, the people of Barotseland joined hands and established a union called Zambia not to surrender the barotse authority and power; the right to forge with their own destiny, no – it was a union of equals. What went wrong is KAUNDA’S MAD REFORMS THAT ABOLIGATED BA64 AND LEGALLY MADE barotseland go back to the drawing board, becoming another Botswana, Lesoth or Swaziland.
In that regard, Lusaka may choose ‘iron fist’: it has never worked or democratic ways: dialogue and sure! why not make history and create United Republic of Zambia, the Tanganyika – Zanzibar solution.
As a nkoya living abroad, I call on the NRE and Kazanga people to support the BA64 COURSE, 90 PF days have proved that we are better with out relatives in Mongu. Just imagine, past 90 days, no nkoya in this govt, even our senior patron in Malaysia has been recalled. The only nkoya who has been an epatriate, MP, Pan African Parliament member and the Commonwealth senior member. If it is not Bemba tribalism, then what else! So, what went wrong is some Bemba greed by PF and a handful of Lozis in PF. Nkoyas must be part of the large family of Barotseland. Cheap politics from the North is not building the nkoay eople, we have door-mats.
Thank you – Shikuwa Ngonda,

fact muntu - December 25, 2011
13:17
 
 

the mbundas and lozis are seperable, mbundas have no problem being part of zambia, lozis have. dont bunch us togather, TWABYANA, twakana! FIGHT YOUR OWN WARS THIS TIME. TRY THE NKOYAS OR TONGAS TO HELP YOU. YETU BA MBUNDA BA MATHI TWABYANA MWANE. MWETHEKEKO BAKWETU BA BATONGA AMBE BONKOYA.

PROUD MBUNDA - December 25, 2011
13:11
 
 

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lll - December 25, 2011
12:49
 
 

The mbundas and posix are inseparable, and this is and shall always be

Concerned - December 25, 2011
12:47
 
 

If tribal broke out in zambia “God forbid” which tribe between Bembas and Tongas would win! Lol

George - December 25, 2011
12:46
 
 

christmass joke!

Parrot - December 25, 2011
12:44
 
 

The PF is in Barotseland trying to incite Mbundas against other tribes. Divide and rule. It wont work

Lungu - December 25, 2011
12:36
 
 

Very good the Mbunda people, have nothing to do with the restoration of the BA64, this is a lozi tribal war who are full of themselves, remember, we made them win the fights against the Kololo and Tongas etc, but up to now they fail to recognise you, they have not promoted your chiefs to senior chief position and they stll call you manyukunyuku, mawiko etc. They are selfish pipo and actually its only a few of them, we have very good Lozis who have intergrated and have inter -maariade in diffrenet parts of zambia. Keep to that position, one zambia, one nation.

Objective Zambian - December 25, 2011
12:30
 
 

Mr. Editor, use BLOCKADE where you have BLOKE. The sentence should be something like “…..dismissed reports that they plan to blockade roads between Western…..”

By The Way - December 25, 2011
12:24
 
 

 

 

 
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